1xBet wrote
Hello, Santos!
We've checked that the bet slip #34030727959 was settled correctly via the protocol of "National Basketball Association. Official scorer's report 2nd Quarter Only", where the score was 3-6:
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We want to emphasize that according to the Term 9.14.8 only personal fouls committed by players on the court are taken into account. Thus, the TEAM Foul Technical (00:55:4) and J. Randle Technical FOUL (00:55:4) don't count here
Therefore, your bet was settled correctly, due to the official source and the T&C of the Company
Best regards,
The 1xBet Team
You lie, use dishonesty, just to take money from honest customers!
I've already won and lost very bets in this market and it always counted all the fouls normally, because in the market it doesn't just say personal bets are valid here in this market, but it says only TOTAL FOULS, and a technical foul too, as the name says, is a fault, just like a personal fault!
A bet that quotes: TOTAL FOULS, means total infractions and all fouls, technical and personal, are infractions. The correct thing should be for 1xBet to offer the market as: "TOTAL FOULS (ONLY PERSONAL FOULS ARE VALID)" and this is not what is shown there for the customer, which configures bad faith on the part of the site, since not even in the terms and conditions there is this information in the basketball section!
In the terms and conditions there is nothing referring to what you are inventing now:
https://br.1xbet.com/information/rules/9
Soon, the customer who is playing live on the site, sees a bet called TOTAL FOULS and a count on the site that influences lines and odds being counted all without exception (personal and technical faults) and believes that it is correct
The customer has no way of knowing that there is a 1xBet human controlling the count of faults on the site and making mistakes, counting technical faults in the general count and offering over/under lines and odds based on this wrong count
To make matters worse, after I published the case on several review and complaints disputes sites, you were dishonest and changed the terms and conditions only yesterday after my public complaints, adding this information in the terms
However, they were not smart and did not know how to disguise it: they only updated the 1xBet website in English. Everyone else, from all other languages, still has no information about this. Therefore, when the customer reads TOTAL FOULS and sees the site offering lines and odds based on the total count (personal + technical faults), including showing this total count in live games for the customer to base it on and bet accordingly, bet believing and trusting the honesty of the 1xBet site and should not be harmed by this human error that is, during the live, counting all of them as being valid faults for this betting market
Information of update yesterday added in rules of 1xbet english page: "First Foul, Total Fouls. When settling bets, only personal fouls committed by players on the court are taken into account. Technical fouls committed by a coach, team officials or reserve players are not counted"
I repeat: this information above does not exist anywhere on the 1xBet website, in any language. They just added this yesterday on the 1xBet website in English, something that no Brazilian who accesses the site can access, because when a Brazilian enters the 1xBet.com website, the website in Portuguese is automatically opened
Do you know why I know the system counted all 11 fouls including the 2 techniques? Because when these technical fouls happened, the game stopped: the odds and the lines, then, stopped. When the first technical foul occurred, the over/under line available for betting was increased by 1. Soon after, with the game still stopped, the second technical foul occurred, and the line for betting on over/under also increased by 1
In other words: while the game is happening, the operators that control the live betting system, count all the faults, whether personal or technical of the team/coach/player, performing the sum and updating the lines/probabilities accordingly, without differentiate them
An absurd example but that better explains what I mean: if a game had 20 personal fouls and 20 technical fouls, the line to bet on over/under would obviously be 42.5 in the final 3 minutes. In other words: the system offers bets on lines and odds according to all faults regardless of whether they are technical or personal.
And that's what always happened, at 1xBet, in basketball games, because I've already won and lost several bets in this market and it always accounted for all the fouls normally, because in the market it doesn't just say personal bets are valid here in this market, but it just says TOTAL FOULS, and a technical foul too, as the name says, is a foul, just like a personal foul!
Only after finishing the game or the fourth did the system remove the technical fouls, wrongly, in this specific game, something it never did in other games and other similar bets from this same market that I made. In other words: during the entire game or during all quarters of the game, are users betting on the wrong lines/odds? Based on a miscount? Therefore, in games where technical fouls are occurring, we players should always bet on UNDER, because after all the counts will always be reduced and the tendency is that the under is the winner? This is a major system flaw, so if the site is only interested in counting personal fouls, how come they changed the terms and conditions yesterday just because they realized their mistake, the system error, instead of admitting they made a mistake and modifying my paid bet wins, then correct the flawed system or alert the human operator that he made a mistake?
However, in the same absurd example above, if technical fouls did not count, even with 20 personal fouls and 20 technical fouls, the over/under line in the final 3 minutes would be 22.5 in the final 3 minutes. And, at least until yesterday, it wasn't like that. I don't know if they corrected this in the system today, to account for just one type of failure in these counts that influence the lines and odds. But if they have corrected it, they should still be honest and change the status of my bet to win, because on my part there was honesty and on your part there was human error in the system counting all the faults without distinction between them
Imagine ANOTHER equally absurd EXAMPLE: a soccer game is 2x2 with only 5 minutes to go and the main over/under goals bet is over/under 4.5 goals. Obviously, we bettors bet on that 4.5 line, up or down, up or down, correct? 1xBet, above the over/under 4.5 market, is showing that there have already been 4 goals, the count is at 4 goals, correct? Okay, you as a customer believe this
Imagine you believe there will be one more goal in the game and you bet on over 4.5. A goal happens and ends 3x2. It is shown on 1xBet the new current score, 5 goals in the game. You're happy believing you've won the over 4.5 bet, correct?
However, after the end of the game, the 1xBet site suddenly changes the count: where it said there were 5 goals, it is immediately changed to 2 goals and your bet is lost
You didn't understand, after all you know there were 5 goals, you watched the 5 goals, when you bet the site indicated that 4 goals had already happened and the main line was over/under 4.5
So you make public complaints. And the website, in order not to confess that it was wrong, decides to change the terms and conditions, adding that in that market ONLY HEAD GOALS COUNT. And, while it was 2x2, in this absurd example, there was only 1 headed goal between the 4, and even with the 5th goal being scored, your bet would be lost, as it was impossible for a 1 goal count that the 1xBet site is offering near the end of the match an over/under 4.5 line when the example game would have only 5 minutes to end, obviously the standard line would be over/under 1.5 to occur or not another headed goal when only 1 had happened before
In other words, does the flaw in the system mean that all players must always play UNDER, which is much more likely for UNDER to win and OVER to lose? After all, you actually bet on a wrong line offered by the site, a wrong line and wrong odd that was based on a wrong count by the 1xBet person who operated this live game
It is worth mentioning here that nowhere on the page where the customer bets did it say that it was a bet on headed goals. There it just showed, in this example, that it was an OVER/UNDER bet of 4.5 goals in the game and the game was 2x2 with 5 minutes left to go, and the 1xBet website, in this example, showed the information: 4 goals have already occurred! The current tally is 4 goals! Of course, you'd be sure to know what that bet was: for another goal to occur or not until the end
The same thing happened with my bet: it didn't say that it was a bet only on personal fouls, not counting technical fouls, and the counter that influenced the lines and odds was showing the total of everything and taking into account the technical fouls that also happened in addition to the personal faults
A bet that quotes: TOTAL FOULS, means total infractions and all fouls, technical and personal, are infractions. The correct thing should be for 1xBet to offer the market as: TOTAL FOULS (ONLY PERSONAL FOULS ARE VALID) and this is not what is shown there for the customer, which configures bad faith on the part of the site, since not even in the terms and conditions there is this information in the basketball section!
In addition, technical fouls elicit free throws, count as personal fouls just like personal fouls, are infractions like any other foul in the game. The bet is on infractions during the quarter of the game. Players can also be ejected from the game after technical fouls. In short, everything leads the user to count everything, especially after seeing that the site itself is counting all of them (they only removed them after finalizing, causing the user to have bet on a wrong line/odd, above the correct count if it really was a market of personal faults only)
In the absurd football example of headed goals, if a game is 2-2 and only 1 of the 4 goals were headed, it is obvious that the default line for an over/under bet on headed goals would be over/under 1.5, correct ? And never 4.5. If it showed 4.5, it was because it was a bet on total goals in the game, which was 2x2, regardless of whether it was headed or not. So if the site was correct and it was a heads only bet then the 4.5 line should actually be 1.5 if the system is working correctly
My basketball bet, then, would have been 8.5 and not 10.5, actually, if the system had been working correctly excluding technical fouls throughout the second quarter. But that's not what happened: the system only corrected the lines/odds/counts after the end of the second quarter, the human operator corrected it only after the game period ended
It was a human error on the part of 1xBet and the bet should have been settled as the 10.5 line was actually 8.5. There were 11 total faults (personal + technical) with the wrong 10.5 line that was the one I played, as well as 9 faults (personal) if the 8.5 line was being offered correctly. My wrong line 10.5 was actually the correct line 8.5 if the operator hadn't made the mistake of counting the techniques in the summation
Fix my bet, win, be honest and I will change the status of the complaint to positive and then delete this and all other public complaints I have made on the world's largest review sites for millions of people in English, Spanish, French is Portuguese. the main languages. Be honest, you made a mistake in counting live fouls and this influenced the lines and odds available for players to bet on! They all told, technical and personal! Besides not specifying that that over/under market was just for personal bets!
Fix my bet and be honest!
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