What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.

Sorry to hear about your disconnections Katt - that is very frustrating and definitely hampers play.

Any "noteworthy" hands or "what would you have done" hands?

blue

Sorry to hear about your disconnections Katt - that is very frustrating and definitely hampers play.

 

Any "noteworthy" hands or "what would you have done" hands?

 

blue

I see you caught that you called me Rosebud... I like her so I don't mind! As for the noteworthy hands, I was so flustered having to repeatedly get back on the net that I can't remember much about the hands.  I know there is one that I stuck with and was not sure if I should have, but it worked out in my favor when I got the last card for a full house and put me on a more level playing field with the one player I spoke of  that was playing a good game of poker. Maybe later I can go back and look at the game history and find a good one.

katt

Yes - I don't know what I was thinking of there Katt.  I do apologise (I was hoping you hadn't spotted it)  I am tired and really should be in bed as it has gone midnight here. 

I look forward to that hand, if you can find it.

blue

I have not gone back for that other one, but I have one from a small tourney I just played... I did not do well on this, but not sure what I should have done.... here is the history screen:

As you can see I was BB with a pretty useless 8,10 off suit... but I checked as no one raised pre-flop. At the flop I ended up with 2 pairs... 8's & 10's... this opposing player bid pretty much as he had on most hands, which was to bid more than the minimum but not outrageously high. I called. The turn was a 3, no apparent help to anyone and opponent did his usual by raising a bit higher, I called again. The river and another little 3... and we both checked. That last little 3 gave the hand to my opponent... and I went down in flames...

So, here you see what I did, but what would you have done? I will tell you what I think I should have done after I hear back...

katt

Sorry to hear about your disconnections Katt - that is very frustrating and definitely hampers play.

 

Any "noteworthy" hands or "what would you have done" hands?

 

blue

 

I see you caught that you called me Rosebud... I like her so I don't mind! As for the noteworthy hands, I was so flustered having to repeatedly get back on the net that I can't remember much about the hands.  I know there is one that I stuck with and was not sure if I should have, but it worked out in my favor when I got the last card for a full house and put me on a more level playing field with the one player I spoke of  that was playing a good game of poker. Maybe later I can go back and look at the game history and find a good one.

 

katt

I think I may have figured out why I was getting disconnected... now I have to figure out how to fix it.

There is a church 2 doors down and I was getting disconnected on Sunday mornings quite often... well today I saw the "disciples of Fresno" in my list of available networks with a medium strong signal... and a check box that says "connect automatically" and the check won't stay unchecked... Can't see them in "My Networks" file to say "never connect" either. So, when they turn on their router it knocks me out with my computer trying to connect to them. Hmmmmmm....

Anyway, thanks Rosebud for not minding either... maybe we should just swap names for a while and see how that goes. LOL LOL LOL

How about we combine names and become kattbudroseboots!!! LOL As far as the church,internet connection goes...maybe divine intervention.LMAO!!

This isn't what would you do...This is what I did.   :) :)

Playing in the $1 entry big bucks tourney again tonight.  They have it every night at 7:25 pm CST.  So I get past the break which is very hard to do.  It is 90 minutes before the break.  Then I buy 30k chips for $1 and have 68,000 to start after the break.  Win a few hands and am up to 103,000 chips.  

I am dealt pair of Q's.  Player before me goes all in with 111,000 chips.  I go all in.  He shows A7 diamonds.  Flop comes 7, 7, 5.  Then 2 and 4 or something small.  

Can you believe it?  Knocked out again!  

Poker is very frustrating.   8p 8p 8p

How about we combine names and become kattbudroseboots!!! LOL As far as the church,internet connection goes...maybe divine intervention.LMAO!!

Hey I like our new moniker! And you may be right... I always think "Here come the disciples after me again." Just never connected that they were knocking me off the internet before.

Poor Medtrans...  :'( that is a BAD BAD BEAT! I would have done the same as you I am sure! But tomorrow is another chance! If you don't mind telling, what poker room is that tourney at?

I still want to know what you guys would have done on my game up there a few posts ago...  *-*

KBRB

Katt, if I hit two pairs on the flop I would probably bet a big but not ridiculous raise over the top of any bets i.e. re-raise his bet. 

If not that, I would play as you did but grab that missed opportunity on the river.  If you had bet the value of the entire pot plus a bit more on the river (the 2nd 3), he "may" well have folded as you would be representing that you had trip 3s.

It's a difficult hand to play because you were winning up to the flop.  The fact that he did not raise pre-flop shows he was possibly trying to trap you.

What was your chipstack and what was his chipstack before the hand started?

blue

Medtrans,

That is just sods law.  What a bummer.  The thing is that bad beats are inevitable and it happens in real life but that said, all in with A7?  What was he thinking.

Sorry you lost with your great hand.

Which site are you playing on?

blue

Blue, my stack was about $900 and his was about $2100... I am nervous with 2 pair because I keep getting slam-dunked when that is my hand... he was looking at strong cards, but post flop I had 2 pair against his Aces, I think he would have re-raised just by the style of his play... my downfall was that lack of confidence in my 2 pair... but you're right I needed to hit it hard at the river, well as hard as I could with my last $300... still with his aces he would have hung on I think, so I was doomed either way... but, standing behind my 2 pair to the end is what I should have done and it was just the luck of the cards he got that other itty bitty 3... I need to stop being so timid just because I have lost hands with a certain combination like the 2 pair problem I seem to have... more confidence, stronger bidding, make them give up before the showdown... yeah, that's the ticket! ?! $$ !! LOL LOL LOL

I found some great info on hitting hands on the flop

Hitting the Flop (pairs and draws)

One pair 29% or 2.5:1

Two Pairs 2% or 49:1

A Set (when holding a pair in the hole) 11.8% or 7.5:1

Trips (two of a rank on the flop) 1.35% or 73:1

Full house .09% or 1087:1

Four of a kind .01% or 9799:1

A pair or better 32% or 2.1:1

A flush draw (with 2 suited cards under) 11% or 8.1:1

A flush draw (with 1 cards under, 3 flush flop) 1.1% or 91:1

A flush (with 2 suited cards under) .84% or 118:1

A backdoor flush (getting 2 running suits) # 4.6% or 23:1

A 8 out straight draw (with hole connectors) 10.5% or 8.5:1

A straight (with hole connectors) 1.31% or 76:1

An inside straight draw (with hole connector) 21.6% or 3.6:1

A flush or 8 out straight draw (with hole connectors) 16% or 1:5.25

A backdoor straight (with 3 to the straight) * 2.96% or 32.8:1

Any unsuited hand flopping 2 pair, trips, full house, or quads 3.45% or 28:1

Any suited hand flopping 2 pair, trips, flush, full house, or quads 4.29% or 22.3:1

54o-JTo flopping 2 pair, trips, straight, full house, or quads 4.76% or 20:1

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This definitely shows the strength of your hand Katt. 

I don't think your opponent would have folded unless you went all in on the flop. Even then it is debatable as he had top pair, top kicker and 2.5 times your stack.

Don't let previous games cloud your judgement Katt. 

blue

Great info blue! Funny, as I was reading the odds I had not scrolled down to where I could see your final comments... but, I thought to myself, I should have made my major move at the flop... only time I might have had a chance of getting him to throw in the towel, but even then with his stack vis a vis mine it would probably not have worked, but still is what I should have tried.

And you are so right... I should not let prior games or even prior hands in the same game cloud my judgement on the present hand in play! Definitely something to work on, but only when I am not busy practicing keeping my poker face!  LOL LOL LOL

katt

Medtrans,

 

That is just sods law.  What a bummer.  The thing is that bad beats are inevitable and it happens in real life but that said, all in with A7?  What was he thinking.

 

Sorry you lost with your great hand.

 

Which site are you playing on?

 

blue

Playing at sportsbook.ag.  All in with A7 you say?  They all do it.  Lots do it with K6 and a bunch of other rubbish.  Funny thing is a lot of them win against AK, AQ, etc.  Makes me wonder about the RNG there.

medtrans

 

Playing at sportsbook.ag.  All in with A7 you say?  They all do it.  Lots do it with K6 and a bunch of other rubbish.  Funny thing is a lot of them win against AK, AQ, etc.  Makes me wonder about the RNG there.

 

medtrans

That is what frustrates me most Medtrans... how are you supposed to play poker when that is the case... a good bluff now and then is fine, but this all-in on rubbish then winning the hand gets to me. No class, no style, and certainly no finesse!

katt

 

Playing at sportsbook.ag.  All in with A7 you say?  They all do it.  Lots do it with K6 and a bunch of other rubbish.  Funny thing is a lot of them win against AK, AQ, etc.  Makes me wonder about the RNG there.

 

medtrans

 

That is what frustrates me most Medtrans... how are you supposed to play poker when that is the case... a good bluff now and then is fine, but this all-in on rubbish then winning the hand gets to me. No class, no style, and certainly no finesse!

 

katt

That's why I quit playing poker some time ago.  The stupid play.  And it is all because entry is only $1 or $2.  I am sure you wouldn't see that kind of play in tourneys with much higher entry fees.  We should ask Zuga.

Zuga?  What's the scoop?  Tell us you don't see this kind of play when entry fee is say $30 or more?

medtrans

I think you will - not as bad but you will see it.  I was watching the final table of the Gtd 100,000 on PS and some of the hands were dire.  However, the play was all about stealing the blinds which were 600,000/1,200,000.

Definitely worth stealing.  I saw one player who had 72 off steal the pot from one player who had K10 off.  Good play or......?

blue

With those blinds I guess I can see doing it especially depending on your chip stack, how many players left, etc.

I am talking more about the bad play I see in low stakes tourneys...like when katt said she was heads up and her opp went all in on EVERY hand.  That is nuts!

Thanks for the response blue.

medtrans

Here is a hand I played a little while ago, SitnGo $1.10 to get in the game and you can see what I did on the picture, but since I have once again been taken down when I had a high pair  :O I need input about betting these kinds of hands...  What would you do?  Oh yeah, small blind was a bluffer and had folded one hand before the flop and maybe 2 after the flop and one at the river during final betting. So, I should have known he wouldn't fold...

katt

I think i would have folded that hand Katt,even if he was bluffing before. I usually do not play A with small kicker,all you could hope for with your hand is small straight or if real lucky,more A's. I've played those kind of hands and went down in flames.

Firstly, seeing as you were under the gun Katt, I would have folded that hand straight away.  Being under the gun puts you in a very vulnerable position.  The only time I come out with all guns blazing in that position is with AA.  I don't know at which point you were all in so I don't know whether you raised preflop or called his fishy all in when he had hit his flush.

Secondly, it is what it is i.e. Ace rag unsuited and I likely would have folded the hand in any position unless I was unraised small or big blind.

With fish like your opponent, they will keep suited cards no matter what they are and you won't get them off the hand unless there is no possibility that they can make the flush.  In this case he hit it on the turn and you were doomed.

blue

Thank you, you are both so right... Pre flop I just called the BB, no one had raised, then I went all in after the flop when I had the two pair Aces and Kings, but I did not considered carefully that he might have the suited hearts in his hand, my reaction and bet were based on his previous behavior and hands revealed and I should know by now not to play a hand based on anything but the hand in play. But then I am pretty much of a Kattfish myself... LOL

On a good note, I played in a play money game after this flaming nosedive into oblivion. It was a great game with all of us using chat and sharing laughs in a $35000 play money SitnGo... It was the friendliest game I have played in, heck we were saying I'm sorry for taking each other's money... but, sad as I was to see each of them go, I did see EACH of them go eventually and won $25000 in play money... It may be play money, but I can use it to win real money so, whoopee and hooray!

katt

Nice win on the play money table Katt.  It is reassuring when you find some friendly players and you get a good game even if it is play money.

blue

Katt,I'm not a big catfish fan :-& except for you !! LOL I've been a fish..guppy,tuna too but unforunately not a whale or a shark but that's poker,you win some,you lose some 8p

Here is another "what would you do" hand.

This is a pokerstars freeroll where top 10 win a ticket to another tourney (to do with the 10th Anniversary)

As you can see from the screenshot, I have AK and I've just flat called the raise to 1250.  Alken66 seems to be a bit of a fish and is going with any hands (and was getting pretty lucky with them too).  CJMV366 is a good player (as you can see from the chipstack) and he does actually fold.  If I call it's virtually three quarters of my stack.

Would you call the fish or fold?

blue

Well blue, that looks a whole bunch like a lot of hands I have sat thru lately... the fish betting on everything and going all in to steal the pot repeatedly. Matter of fact one got me so irritated yesterday I called him on it (knowing I shouldn't) and he got that last card to win... out I went.

In your case, I would fold, PO'd, but folded. You have a lovely AK but you have no guarantee you are going to get something else to help your community queens and Ace kicker... with his bet after the flop if he was a reasonable player you would have to assume he has a queen in the hole... with a fish and the RNG behavior of late, who knows? But that much of your stack might just cripple your chances to do justice to a more for-sure hand coming up, plus I just hate to take a chance on someone that plays like that getting hold of that big of a stack. LOL

katt (the fish calling a fish a fish ha ha ha ha)

I would fold.  Fish probably has a 6 - 8 off.  LOL.

medtrans

Nothing from Rosebud?  I'll post what I did shortly.

blue

Taking into account the dire fishy play of this player, I made a huge assumption that he had nothing and decided to take a risk and called.

You can see in the picture below that I was so right to call and despite him having an open ended straight, he didn't hit it and I won the hand.  What is sad about this hand is that he went all in and he didn't have a straight or flush draw at that point..  I know mine isn't much better but it is top card with top kicker.

Needless to say I won the hand and it was a risky call but then on the other hand, I didn't believe that he had anything based upon his previous play.

blue

You're holding   in a double up tourney (top 3 of 6 places double their money). It's only a 20c buyin.  It's very early in the game and you are BB - no pre-flop raises.

The flop comes down     and the player seated at small blind goes all in.

What would you do here?  Does he have that 8 or is he sitting on a higher pocket pair?  Bluffing?

blue

I would fold.  It's early.  Of course with the low buy in, he is probably bluffing.

medtrans

I think I'd call since it is such a low buy-in.

I'd fold. Even knowing what these all-in jackanapes are up to with this kind of play I would fold and wait for them to take each other out of the game. Save my resources to fight again another hand.

katt

Thanks for your replies everyone. 

I actually did call.  I figured he didn't have much of a hand and he was just buying the pot. Also, as mentioned by  a couple of you, it was only a 20c buyin.

He showed his hand which was    .  Nothing else came that helped either of us and I won the hand.

I'm not sure what he was thinking.  Overcards perhaps?

Either way -  it was a good call but was it a stupid call?

blue

I definitely would not say it was a stupid call. It was a risky call.

Given that the nature of these tournaments is to stay alive rather than to win the most chips (mind you this is an extremely difficult way for me to play and I easily forget to do so. I have lost a lot of money especially while Multi-Tabling failing to remember that rule.)

I would say calling was a risk not worth the reward. But I would also say that no winning call can be a stupid call.

Quite often I get that "gut feeling" that I will win and quite often do win when I get that feeling.  This was one of those hands and as you say, a hand won cannot be a stupid call.

Thanks for the comments orren. 

blue

Blue it could not be a stupid call in my book... because YOU made it! The only calls I ever deem stupid are the ones I make!

;) LOL

katt

Blue it could not be a stupid call in my book... because YOU made it! The only calls I ever deem stupid are the ones I make!

;) LOL

katt

LOL  You don't give yourself any credit at all and you should.  You are a good player and the more you play, the better you get.  You will be a great player, I have no doubt about that.  Credit where credit is due Katt!

blue

:-[ Awwww shucks blue... I am on a streak this week... I have come in 1 place out of the money more times than I can count... Do you know what that sounds like? It sounds like, "Dammit I did it again!"  :O

katt LOL

The bubble?  You were 1 place away from getting paid Katt?

Darn it!  You gotta do what the others do when it's that close.

1.  Don't play any hand unless it's a premium hand.

2.  Take your time to call or fold i.e. drag it out

3.  Use your time bank where possible

4.  Don't be tempted to call when raised on your BB if you don't have a premium hand.

blue

:-[ Awwww shucks blue... I am on a streak this week... I have come in 1 place out of the money more times than I can count... Do you know what that sounds like? It sounds like, "Dammit I did it again!"  :O

 

katt LOL

I too get on these streaks Katt. A few places away from cash at least.

All that tells me is either that I only missed cashing by 1 missed opportunity or by making 1 mistake too many. Basically with any improvement at all in my play I will be able to cash.

That is a very good thing. Ya just have to change your perspective to "the glass half full" is all.

Although there's always the possibility that they've got my name on a server that says "orren will not win". So they just tease me for fun. Since these "Streaks" usually occur on all poker rooms I play on. I sometimes wonder if it is whats actually happening.  ;)

I'm with you Orren, it is the mark they secretly put on us that triggers a switch in all poker rooms at the same time, they just lay you so low you have to look up to see down!  :O

The bubble?  You were 1 place away from getting paid Katt?

 

Darn it!  You gotta do what the others do when it's that close.

 

1.  Don't play any hand unless it's a premium hand.

2.  Take your time to call or fold i.e. drag it out

3.  Use your time bank where possible

4.  Don't be tempted to call when raised on your BB if you don't have a premium hand.

 

blue

Can you tell me a bit more about taking time to call or fold, dragging it out, and using the time bank... Is this a psychological game or taking more time to decide to call or ... ???

katt

The idea is to drag it out in the hopes that you won't go out on the bubble and someone else will, just so you can get into the money.  When there is just one or a few places left to go out before the paying places, you will see the big "slow down" on most tables.  The big stacks don't like it and may well complain in the chat but most players (the small stacks) don't care and will do whatever it takes to get into the money. 

Hope this makes sense.

blue

I think I got it blue... take time, think about your bets, and psych out the folks that can't stand the waiting so they make bad decisions... something like that?

Next question... in this scenario what would you condiser a "premium"  hand? I ask because I seem to still get creamed with 2 good pairs or AA or KK in the hole. That is maddening, so I wonder how good does it have to be to bet it as a premium hand.

Of course I know that it is poker and that kind of stuff happens, but it shouldn't happen all the time... is this a RNG thing?

katt

Yes I think it is an RNG thing Katt.  I would say AA or KK or AK and that's it.  If you are up against the big stacks, the RNG will try and ensure that they win just to knock you out.  A lot of small stacks won't play any hands until they have passed the bubble no matter what their hand is.

Always take your time when the bubble is near - drag it out as much as you can, even when you are folding.  The longer it takes for the huge blinds to come round to your turn the better and there is more chance that someone else will be knocked out in the bubble position. 

blue

The idea is to drag it out in the hopes that you won't go out on the bubble and someone else will, just so you can get into the money.  When there is just one or a few places left to go out before the paying places, you will see the big "slow down" on most tables.  The big stacks don't like it and may well complain in the chat but most players (the small stacks) don't care and will do whatever it takes to get into the money. 

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

blue

I hear what you are saying blue and I totally understand.  I am one of those that hate the waiting, waiting, waiting for the fold or time out.  I am constantly yelling at my computer "Let's Gooooooo!"  I hate waiting and waiting.

But I know why everyone does it and that is to get into the money and who doesn't want money???

medtrans

The idea is to drag it out in the hopes that you won't go out on the bubble and someone else will, just so you can get into the money.  When there is just one or a few places left to go out before the paying places, you will see the big "slow down" on most tables.  The big stacks don't like it and may well complain in the chat but most players (the small stacks) don't care and will do whatever it takes to get into the money. 

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

blue

Not sure if this was entirely understood by all.

Note: This tactic is of no use during "Hand for Hand play" (Hand for Hand Play = when the table is paused until all tables finish the current hand. Not all poker rooms do this and it is usually initiated when there is 10 or less positions left to make it to the money or to a higher level of payout (I.E. finishing 190th - 150th positions paid $1 and 150th -100th positions paid $2).

Hope I've not confused any of you further.

Anyway, the idea is that when approaching the bubble. Time can literally = money at this point. So... You take as much time as possible when it is your turn to act. In hopes, that during the time you have wasted. 1 or more players will get eliminated. Increasing your chances to make it to cash.

Now just because a poker room initiates "Hand for Hand Play" does not mean this tactic is no good. You can stall during the times before "Hand for Hand Play" is initiated.

When playing tournaments of "HORSE" or other limit games stalling for time becomes almost essential to most players. In order for them to make it to cash.

1 poker room that is ideal to imply this tactic is "BetOnline". To my knowledge they are 1 of few poker rooms that never uses "Hand for Hand Play". 

That's a really helpful description, makes sense to me!

I think I saw you at BetOnline in a tourney I was in, but we did not get seated at the same table... so belated "HI!"

katt