Master Card seized all january receipts for online Gambling??

Have anyone else seen this ? I have a netspend Visa never had a Master card but I am locking my doors and anyone knocks I am NOT answering!!!!

Mastercard/Visa -- huge seizure
Little birdy told me this morning that Mastercard and Visa have done a huge seizure industry wide. Apparently this is pretty wide-sweeping and directly affects operator accounts for the month of January.
Response from player:Yep, I got this yesterday...what type of "seizure" Max, card seizure, money seizure, etc.?
My understanding was that it may have involved operator asset seizure, at least insofar as funds being held by the payment processors. My concern was that this might mean a ripple through the system where players end up being slow-payed, or worse.

FWIW, another source has offered this, sounds related (?):
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Mastercard is doing a sweep right now against those taking cards that are NOT 7995. They have had a sting in place. This is not VISA, Mastercard only.

I'm hearing 'all January receipts seized' so it does indeed sound like they're being retroactive about it. That's got to hurt!

Let me get this straight: Mastercard is "seizing" funds that were used for depositing in online casinos? What, does this mean they reverse the transactions in effect resulting in a backdoor chargeback? If that is the case, then the players wouldn't be out of the money but the casinos would. Further the case, then I guess the casinos would then take that much out of the player's balance provided the player didn't already lose it all.

Thankfully I never used Mastercard for depositing into online casinos.

So Mastercard is doing this even in countries that allow online gambling?
This could cause them serious legal problems. The intent is probably aimed at those processors that deliberately disguised gambling transactions as something else. There should have been no need for this in countries where online gambling was legal, but casinos will STILL be affected if they used such trickery even though they didn't have to.
This looks like gambling transactions that were put through as gambling transactions (merchant code 7995) should be honoured.
Gambling transactions put through with other codes to hide their nature are probably the ones being investigated, and merchant funds seized. I would expect these processors will also have their Mastercard facility removed.

US players are likely to be most affected, and it WILL result in "chargeback" conditions for the processors, who will then seek to pass this on to the casinos.

The net effect might force a few casinos to quit the US market, which is just what the US authorities want. UIGEA was designed to disrupt the transactions, and this is EXACTLY what will result from this latest Mastercard action.

Casinos MAY react by blaming the PLAYERS for this, and placing them on a chargeback blacklist, even though it was the CASINO trying to get around Mastercard restrictions in order to keep accepting deposits from players. Players may then find themselves having to fight to clear their names from the smear that THEY initiated chargebacks to get out of bets that went sour. It has happened like this before, with PLAYERS taking the blame for a decision by their BANK to retrospectively retrieve transactions once they became aware they were related to gambling.
I have a credit card i use and have used it once at a casino (Slots Oasis) its a Master card, could the Rushmore group kick me to the curb if it comes back to them and they pass the buck on to the player, will i have to give them the deposit money back in order not to be named as a chargeback player.

This really is a new low for Master card and is going to hurt the Casinos that used MC for depositing, but what about those players, they will suffer twice, maybe losing their credit card status, maybe having to payback the casino in order to save their good standing at the casino..........Its going to be a never ending merry- go - round ride, i fear.

If they do a mastercard chargeback, I wonder, Does the Casino or Merchant Provider Know if it was Mastercard that did it, or if the player did it on his own?

I can see 2 things happening. Winning player gets a chargeback from his mastercard, and his deposit/winnings are forfiet, and he is banned. I also see a player Losing, doing a chargeback on his own, and then saying, "MC did it, not me".

I hope Casino Reps, chime in and let us know that they can tell the difference, to protect the honest player who actually does end up with a MC Chargeback.
Let us all get ONE thing straight

If MasterCard prompts a industry wide chargeback - there is no way that the casinos will hold individuals responsible.

HOWEVER - they cannot realistically charge Casinos BACK all the money CASINOS intook for those months already collected on.

Not only that - the money would have to be returned to the customer - and you're talking a MASSIVE undertaking - that NO ONE would want to be a part of.

Personally it just sounds like MC is STOPPING the allowance of online gaming worldwide.

Just an opinion tho.

Methinks that they may be investigating what is gmbling charge and what is not - but I dont think they are going to undertake the ENTIRE industry returning funds to players.

If MasterCard prompts a industry wide chargeback - there is no way that the casinos will hold individuals responsible..

Correct, as the term I see in this thread, "chargeback" is being used incorrectly.

A MID going down is totally different. It will be painful to many as any money that had not been sent to the casino (settled) would be gone. This has happened in other industries and is also different then a seizure, though I can see why the confusion...

Bottom line, For those wonder why is MC and not visa, is most gaming transaction happen with Visa International, not Visa..Small difference in the corporate structure, but this is why MC always folds first...
Don't think Visa won't be behind this in process.

But what I am seeing is that VISA IS indeed investigating gambling charges - hence in SOME Visa's (ie NETSPEND) you are now capable of documenting the TYPES of charges from the plyer's side.

HOWEVER - I have had ONE prepaid Visa that closed my account down and investigated the charges. I just closed it completely.

Still the INDUSTRY wide thing is this; They will probably just stop allowing gaming transactions - nothing too hideous at this point.

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Hi everyone,

I have just had confirmed to me by TG management that both VISA and MC held an action against a major processing company used by many different operators/platforms.

As a result of this action there maybe some slight delays with player withdrawals but we wanted to assure everyone that all withdrawals will be processed asap.

In the meantime if any player has a question about their withdrawal I would ask you to please contact customer support of that casino.

Kind Regards

David

Quicktender is also disallowing MC for funding for now. They have given no reason other than an issue with the payment processor. At least that's what I see when I log in to QT. Been days now, and the MC i had listed there is blocked out. Since about Feb 1.
I was more specific in some PM's starting in the fall. (Will check them out and possibly post some specifics).

UIGEA is not the cause but may wake up the sleeping dogs. VISA and MC have their own TandC's for both merchants and cardholders. Oh my, including terms related to gambling at least for US cardholders. We have all been trained to read those TandC's, yes!! HYPOCRISY and GREED and ADDICTION and IGNORANCE and

Mastercard crackdown leaves US players unable to pay

04/02/2010
Jon Parker


US-FACING operators have been hit by an overnight crackdown on online gambling payments by credit card giant Mastercard.

The US company is believed to have toughened its stance on the widespread practice of operators coding egaming transaction as other kinds of online commerce, which will all its US customers from using their cards to gamble online.

Rival US card giant Visa is rumoured to have taken a similar measure, although this could not be confirmed at the time of writing.

The action is a sign that banks and payment companies are preparing for implementation of America’s Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA), which bans the facilitation of online gambling by payment companies.

LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLIN' DOWN...The show will soon be over folks. Visa will follow suit soon. This casino operators office will be raided. This sting is bigger than you could imagine. Don't be surprise if someone knocks on your door.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Ignore the warning signs all you want to. But its OVER FOLKS! Watch...2010 is IT!!!!

#%^^$##%^$#@$%%!! Well that's just great

BTW-None are my words except "Have anyone else seen this ? I have a netspend Visa never had a Master card but I am locking my doors and anyone knocks I am NOT answering!!!!" Copied and posted verbatim.

ooooopppps forgot to change my avatar!!!! Yikes

dam, this might be the reason purevegas delay paying me.

>:( >:( >:(

Sites likely to have been hit by the Mastercard move include US sports betting giant Sportsbook.com, which today announced that it will leave the Cake Poker network to join Ireland's Merge Gaming network.

Rival US card giant Visa is rumoured to have taken a similar measure, although this could not be confirmed at the time of writing. 

I have MC that I always transfer money to my QT...aye ya ya!!!

so does this mean all my deposits I made will be credited back to my mastercard :D:D:D:D

  Let's bow our heads and prey

I have seen on a few different sites that they no longer are accepting MC for about a month now.  I can't remember where since my cards are Visa I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Good Luck All!!

What I have experience visa is the only one that will work. Master card will not process on-line gambling deposits. Some how they Know who they are. SO the only way for me was Visa only.  

Good Luck all

Has anyone been using Visa?

I used it 10pm Friday night at Grande Vegas- played, lost- then tried to redeposit and got denied. Tried a few other sites- was denied everytime. Tried QT- denied. Logged into my bank account and all of the transactions that were pending for gambling sites are now gone and the money is back in my account. Weird!

Looks like it might be over for us U.S. gamblers.

we still have ewalletxpress and microgaming still accept mastercard.

I tried using my visa at a poker site it didn't work it said to call or use live chat. i called and spoke to casino rep and had to give card infor over the phone, but was able to use my visa card.

I have been using a Visa bank debit card. So it could just be my bank denying the transactions. But I have read in another forum that Visa will most likely be stopping all deposits like Mastercard is. Guess we'll see.

Hey guys,

This really sucks big time.

What will happen if Visa follow Mastercard and stop all transactions - how will you fund your online gambling?  

blue

If Visa follows suit, and does the same thing, it will crimp alot of players ability to play. 

Right now I am funding my ewallet account, then depositing from ewallet to casinos that take it.

I already can't play at my only Microgaming site Platnium Play, as they dont take Mastercard.  I used it just last week, and now I cant. 

This whole thing is just a nightmare, and I hope their are ways around it.

                                                                        PMM

    Well, Blueday, I think I will come live next door to you. I will absolutely go nuts if anything interfered. But of course I would find another way first, though it may cost more. Just to be ready, let me know if there are any vacancies. 

This is just awful and I'm not just saying that.  I really do mean it. 

I hope you guys and gals can find a way around what must be a total nightmare for you.

lol helwin - feel free to come and live next door. 

There aren't any restrictions over here (yet) but I am sure that our Govt/banks will jump on the bandwagon at some point and make us pay too.  There was some talk about it a very short while back and one of the bookies pointed out to the Govt. how much revenue they [the Govt.] make from gambling.

I guess this thread will be updated with "workarounds" for you all....I really hope that it is and that there are some so you can all continue doing what you enjoy.  Human Rights surely must apply here.

blue

I tried with my mc to deposit yesterday with no sucess.   I was told mc is down for 10-14 days and the casinos have no control.

Also can not add funds to quick tender with mc.  

SO what would be the best pre-paid card to buy to add funds to
quick tender  ?????????

All replys welcome............

I too have been trying to add funds to quicktender with mastercard and I too was unsuccessful. 

I think this is just the beginning of a long and painful experience for us USA players.

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So  is there a pre paid visa we can use?

yes.  netspend prepaid visa . i use that to fund my quicktender  50 min to deposit to quicktender.

3.95 for the card temporary card then register online, 5 -7 days your card will be mailed to you, in the meantime use your temporary one.:)

Well, considering the fees Netspend charges, I'll just use the bank debit portion of QT and just learn to have some patience. 2-4 days ain't great, but like I said about netspend, that's just too much for what little I play with.

netspend is a mastercard, isnt it? 

Visa are following Mastercards example. 

blue 

Yup.. Both cards are getting denials, and it's just not for casinos, i tried to send my friend money (out of the country) and my card was declined, we are going to try a paypal, never had to do that before

Well folks for the lucky ones that have land base casino's near them it is time to go and play their.  I knew this day was coming.  And as for us compulsive gambler it is a good thing.

Due to the halting of this by Visa and MC, I suspect that QT will possibly see an uptick in business. HOWEVER that they do it for free for the bank WD to fund the account, they'll probably start charging for that as they sure won't do it for free for long!

Also, I guess thyat the local casinos will see an increase of patrons. I'm looking at this with some curiosity and maybe a positive thought.

I can no longer use my WM Visa, but I can go through QT and then wait and build the account up so I can hit  more casinos. Time will tell.

I am really upset about all of this- I quess that we who live in the United States will not be able to play online anymore. I hope that there are other options open to us soon!

Here's some even worse news guys....just got off the phone with my greendot MC card and inquired about this...they were not to clear with me about anything and wouldn't answer my questions, but they did tell me this much, if you were using your card for online gamlbing that no funds would be returned to you and that your card would be permenantly shut down.................ouch!

Visa gift cards r still the way 2 go........... typically purchase the 50 dollar ones.  4.95 activation fee, but I don't care.....it's the 1 vice I still allow myself Not having any probs. getting my deposits thru @ my Microgaming faves.

It's just not going to be so convenient, we can still play.. going to have more fees with other alternatives, kind of the way i see it.

QT doesnt allow MC anymore, so is it just a matter of time for visa too? i hope not.

Hummmmm... I used my MC card that I got through paypal worked at one of MG casino yesterday...I usually use my Net Spend card but I didn't want to go out to reload in the rain so I used my MC card.

I only pay $2 to reload at any check cashing stores it is still better than what I used to pay at any other locations which was $4.95.

Can't tell u how much this IRRITATES me!!!!!!!  Don't want 2 turn this in2 a big political debate or anything, but I should think our government has more pressing issues 2 deal with than dictating 2 it's citizens how they spend their free time (and their money!!)  GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

If Quicktender is an e-wallet, why can't they accept masetercard? Maybe they used the same processor? All my Quicktender deposits that I use my mastercard debit card  for show on my bank statement as UMW QT and the wire transfers from my withdrawals show as BayDonHill PLC S.

I can't figure out why they can't accept it unless they charge your card as a gaming transaction.

LH

Ok I know I posted this in another area, but the brakes were hit on sat evening  1/30/2010 after using my prepaid mc the day before, at alladin's sat saw the denied "unauthroized merchant" pop iup. CSR says "we're having a problem with them. It should be up on monday. Use Visa"  Monday told  they were working on it and it looks like it will be up in 10 days. Quicktender disabled the button. Alladin thought it was only them. Prepaid Visa does work. However, blocked by inetbet if you try to deposit directly. I think because inebet list the transaction as "inetbetcasino". Guess i'll get it from both ends because i first used my bank's visa. They called to verify  and the lady says ...such and such..visa doesn't allow internet gambling. A lot of those places will list it as something else in order for it to go through. (on of Alladin's btw came up as a furniture store on the banks end)

The two cheap looking ones from Ralphs, Food$Less & Kroger's Visa's  are affiliated with a  big mastercard company all allowing international transactions for an extra 2% profit masking as currency conversion.

This "so-called" violation is driven by greed and too vague. The economy was in the toilet way before I hit the spin button. #*&^%  it!!   The line forms to the right.  One more thing, one could argue that we're taking a gamble just by purchasing their cards. The service fee is higher than  B of A  atm. A 'Stop internet gaming" pop up is now running on yahoo with a snitch number on it.


If not allowed, remove it here it is... 

vip slots would not accept my mc for about 3 hours then they were using it again so far they are the only ones that i know of.

This is old news Satan...those buttheads permanently shutdown my account in December.  I think I was one of the first.  I have had accounts with them for over 8 years.

couldnt deposit with netspend at platinum play today

I used it at allslots a couple of days ago. No problems.

oooooh..ohhhhhhh  what the heck is wrong with netspend?
since when is netspend a problem??  did you use MC or visa?
what kind of transaction?

my netspend card is a mastercard.

aslo, none of my MCs work at microgaming casinos now, it worked couple days ago thou.

i see...so this is still pretty much a mastercard issue.

you really scared me.

in all actuality, most visa and mastercards have in the terms and conditions a stipulation against gaming.  this is not anything new.  capitol one was the first one to stop me years ago.  this is when i started using debit cards.  its pretty bad that it is going down to the debit card level, but i can see it happening if they are cracking down on internet gaming, and the government is trying to start gaining control.

how else to do it, but by our purchasing methods. 

  Those bat rastards

So is it all MC's at all casinos or is it just certain ones?

In my experience it has been mastercard at every casino I have tried it at.