3dice Casino Observations

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to make a thread about 3Dice Casino,

I have been registered here for a year now, and i just wanted to post some of my thoughts and observations i made.

<Please Note> These are merely observations only and not only by me but others too.

Basically i find it strange how players can win in this casino, they sometimes can get 3-5 big wins and because they have a chat room we get the red win messages when they win over $100 dollars. not only that but those wins and red messages happen very close to each other sometimes someone gets 3 or sometimes 5 red win messages within 10 mins.

I mean dont get me wrong about how casinos work, but if this was example microgaming or myabe net ent, or IGT i do not think this ratio of wins in a very very short period of time is normal.

this is a theory of mine that has grown over time, and speaking to other players i get the same feeling they are thinking the same.

For example when the progressive feature is on during special occasions it gets triggered to the same players that get 3 or 5 big win red messages too, so i do not think this is a coincidence, it has happened on numerous occasions in this casino.

As for tournamnets, they always seem to get won by the same players, and then others dont even get close to winning them they seem very hard to win, some players win 2 or 3 a day some win 1 a week, some win none in a month, sometimes longer, and some players that play the tournaments dont even deposit.

Also, when we players suggest things to the staff and support, they always say everything is fair and random and so on and so fourth and we wont be implemnting any changes, (like for example a suggestion is to limit tournament wins 1 or 2 per player per week - Thus making it fairer).

But it seems they just dont want to make any changes to improve or make thier players more happy

this was just a tread to see what others felt about 3Dice Casino too and also to just get this information out there for others to read.

This Thread Was Not Intended In Any Bad Way - It was merely a expression of concern that i feel i and many others do have a right to discuss in a free open manner.

Let me know if anyone has there own thoughts or similar??

Thanks for reading and goodluck out there.

LuckyRJ

I have a question.

These tournaments - are they re-buy/add-on tourneys or is it just a one chance tournament?

blue

They give you an hour the VIP ones, and you basically have a start balance of 2500 in the peak balance ones and a 2000 start balance in the balance ones, and basically you just need to get your balance the highest to stand a chance to win them. which is soo hard to do, it just seems that it is always the same people winning them.

LuckyRJ

Ah so your balance counts towards your position and you can continue playing all the time you have a positive balance.

I guess it is just luck and a bit of money management.

I don't think limiting how many tournaments a person can win is the right way to go tbh.  If you had won say 2 tourneys in a week and the rule was that you couldn't win any more, I guess you would be gagging to play more tourneys.

I wouldn't think there was anything untoward going on Lucky.  Perhaps you are just not lucky at the moment.  I hope it changes for you.

blue

ok blueday, but it was not about me or my luck, this was just a general observation.

Take for example a current tournament that is currently playing right now as i type this message there is a video poker tournament that has a current leader *no name mentioned* but this player always about 9 out of 10 times wins the video poker tournaments.

this is not a coincidence this is why i feel this needs to be put out there into the open, how can these same people win these, like for example to win a video poker tournament u need to get 4 deuces or royal flush in most of the types of video poker this casino offers. and i can tell you that i never had a royal flush or 4 deuces in a video poker tournament in a full year of me doing these tournaments, this was just an example, and for the same player or players to get the big wins *every* time seems very very fishy, we can basically predict who will win certain tourmaments all the time, it is that obvious.

I assure you all i am not the only one who thinks and notices these things and another thing is this, no one is or can complain or say anything anywhere, in the chat or in the casino forum, they just close threads if a player complains and or bans them from chat.

They are a closed casino it seems and the chat feature comes with these rules, i can understand these rules 100% but for us to actually not be able to speak out if we have concerns and we get punished if we do i find a bit cruel when we players are spotting some inconsistency's with certain areas of a casino. a few people have tried on numerous occasions to say how they feel in the 3dice casino forum but these threads do not last long at all, how is this free and fair...

this was one reason i also stopped playing in this casino, cos i had all these thoughts about it then, and now when i returned it took a few days and i now have them again.

I think personally the chat room and the stats page do not help matters. Because we get to see these win messages very often from the same players and we get to see who won on the stats page and we also get to see what slots have been paying in real and stuff, yes it is a nice feature to have, but it also makes it strange when we see same names and so on.

this is just Observations people can view it in which ever way they want and i understand this, this is all this thread was for, merely for observational and information to help and get feedback from other players too.

LuckyRJ

hey hi luckyrj...  i feel that sometimes you over think to much of things. sometimes it is what it is.  nothing more or nothing less. if  the same person happens to win same tourny over and over or constantly winning...  simply this could be cause.... very lucky....  expierence tournament player.

I don't think it is a ghost player or that the tournaments are fixed. Maybe when it flashes that they won it repeats the announcement and they are not are actually winning that many time?

They are a pretty reputable site and i can't see the purpose in allowing certain players to win and risk tarnishing their reputation.

Like vnboy said try not to over think it and just have fun your ship will come in sooner or later.

Lips

i will pm you a link lips and i will also pm it to vnboy

Thanks for replys

I forgot to also mention this.......

http://fileserver3.3dice.com/rng.php

this is the link to the RNG certificate from iTech Labs, doesnt it again seem strange that the certificate is dated 2009, i really really wonder why they have not updated the certificate.

in my opinion, a certificate with a date on that is this far away makes me concerned, yes they might be tested regularly but on the other hand if they was then where is the new certifications and why have they not updated them, questions need to be answered i feel.

LuckyRJ

Have any LCB members cashed out from there recently?  I was depositing there, but I never hit ANYTHING! They do have awesome reps and great games, but something tells me if I make upwards of 20 deposits, I should have been able to cash out something!!!

I had big wins in a row in the past, although not at 3Dice casino (most likely cause Im rare depositor there, but I did have 2 smaller cashouts on their slots). Also those big wins in a row happened on a slots that at least for me rarely gave anything decent.

When it comes to tournaments, Im with blue on that, limiting someone's possibility to win a tournament whenever he/she has a highest score when it ends just makes them pointless to play if you won one already (or two in this case). Also, speaking of freerolls, Im strongly against Add-on and re-buy options, I liked RTG freerolls just the way they were for example, I hit almost 150.000 (which is my record on RTG) score recently and wasnt among first 3, so obviously its hard to win a freeroll now if you dont put some money into it.

I agree.  I think a freeroll should be a freeroll....  Just sayin'....

luckyri...... you post a link that shows a certificate that was date 2009.  does every casino suppose to have 2013 certificate? every year..new certificate?  im asking because i dont know to much about this and since you posted it , im assuming you do.

I posted it, cos i noticed the certificate dated 2009, i do not know the rules and so on, that is why i posted it, maybe someone else does know how and why they show dates from years ago

LuckyRJ

I agree drtheolen about the RTG freerolls having a rebuy/addon.  It has spoiled them completely.

As for the 2009 certificate, I had a look at the website that does the testing and it seems they are constantly receiving information from the casinos which the testing lab check.  From the wording on the site, it appears they only issue one certificate and it would be revoked if they failed the continued testing. 

Thanks blueday.

I also did some snooping and stuff, and i found out that it seems they don't need to be checked regularly unless the Algorithm changes.

So basically because 3dice say that their Algorithm hasnt changed that they dont need to be rechecked.

i mean dont get me wrong about this information

but it still kinda scares me, and i then suppose it comes down to can we trust and believe the Algorithm hasnt been changed, anyway...

lets see if anyone else has anymore imput

but this is certainly interesting news, cos it seems it will apply to all online casinos

LuckyRJ

          Hey RJ,  I did manage to win a tourney there one time for $10.  Came in second for $5  also .    Never really came close again.  I'd rather play their games and not bother with the tourneys;  it always seems like someone's  way  out in front  if you don't  start playing  right when it begins.  Please don't overthink this,  I know it's hard to  play catch up on a tourney.  (This is my personal observation)  I just wish they would expand their deposit options to more US friendly ones. 

Hi DreamRJ,

3Dice has grown quite a bit since you last played with us and these days there's about 30 players in every VIP tourney. As a result, assuming you play a good strategy, on average you should expect to win about 1 in 30 tourney's. You've got two tourney prizes in just the past two days so that's even a bit above average. To give you an idea if 1 in 30 is the average you should expect to not win 50 tourney's in a row (29/30)^50 = 18% .. so hitting a couple of days with lots of tourney's played and none won is quite normal. The opposite happens just as well and don't underestimate how much playing strategy will influence this. There really is some serious skill going on the way we set up our tournaments.

As for the certificate, the continued validity of that is asserted using a technique called digital signing. When the code was first submitted to itech labs they generated what is known as a cryptographic MD5 hash. This means that they can see and would revoke the certificate as soon as even 1 letter of the original code changes. When you see a certificate published the best way to see if its still valid is to go to the test website (in our case itech labs) - these sites always publish lists of the valid certificates.

Cheers,

Enzo

And welcome to the forum enzo.

EDIT: I just realized you registered here a long time ago, i never knew that.

Took a long time for a rep to come here from 3dice

and thanks for the information.

but can i also add more,

how come i counted today 1 player in particular winning 3 tournys soo far and also yesterday winning a few too the same player.

All i am doing is pointing out truths, i can easily make a list of names that regularly win tournaments and more than others, yes this is bound to happen, but surely not the same people all the time and even on the same tournys, (like for example the winner of say video poker is always the same select few names) yes we have had these discussions in the chat in the past, and they get nowhere, but i feel i have to start questioning more, because i feel i have a right.

Yes i know you say they are free we don't have to play them, but this casino has soo many tournaments, it is hard not to play them they are every hour. so surely the emphasis should be to make them more fairer by accepting ideas when players suggest things, or setting up some new rules to try and lessen the regular winners a bit, i don't know how, but i don't want to go to deep, and i enjoy your games and casino i really do, but i am also sorry that it came to me making this thread. but it was merely for observational reasons i made it.

So i hope i don't get any bad repercussions because of this fact either, i am merely a customer who was trying to question some irregularities.

But thanks again Enzo

LuckyRJ (DreamRJ) in 3dice, my new name

Hi DreamRJ,

Hate to state the obvious here but has it ever occured to you that some players simply are much better at estimating the complex dynamics between time available, balance available, positions of other players and most importantly game characteristics as variance, sizes of regular wins, and the balance needed on average to get them etc ..

Picking a random game and playing maxbet is not at all a good strategy for most of our tournaments. Video poker is a great example .. there are VP's in there with a lower RTP, and a lower top win, but they pay much better for combinations that do occur more frequently. Some of the players in our tournaments know exactly what to play on what betsize and what bankroll to optimize their chances.

I wouldn't want to change anything about that either. Limiting the number of wins is like taking that skill aspect out - and its exactly that skill aspect that makes the tournaments interesting. We do continuous checking on all of this and we guarantee fairness on it. Fair tournaments does not equal everyone winning the same amount - it means the players with the best strategies winning more. (and then there's ofcourse the question of how many tournaments you participate in .. we have some players that play in almost literally every tournament .. which ofcourse increases their chances to.

If you want to win more tournaments you should be asking some other questions - why don't you pm some of these players perhaps they will be willing to share their strategy with you. Don't go around blaming people tho ! It's not cause you're not winning as much or they're winning more that its not fair ..

Cheers,

Enzo

Ok.

But firstly can i say i was not doing any blaming, like i stated, this thread was merely created for observational reasons only.

On the point you made about strategies i would have to differ, because i think 90% of players do play max bet on all tournaments anyway most of the time, and i know the right pokers for example to play too. because i asked others in the past which is the best poker to play.

this is what happens all the time, it comes to a dead end.

Seems it will always be the same way, loads of the same winners and loads of winners that never win them and miss out.

most tournys don't need strategies, like the most common one is they stop playing in the slot ones when they get to number 1 spot anyway.

and i cant really say about video poker or solitaire and blackjack and others, but they are for sure harder to win and straight forward, cos it is all just basically hit or miss regardless if you decide to do max bet or not..

but lets just let this be the last thing that i say, because it is how it is

and it was merely like i said was for observational reasons, no other reasons was behind this thread no blaming nothing

thanks again

LuckyRJ

90% does, but the ones that win more tournaments don't. Like I said - you're simply underestimating the part of strategy here. Everyone who hops in chat 10 mins after a tourney started stating that they are out - did not play optimal strategy. To figure out what betsize you should be spinning at you need to look at :

- your current balance
- the leaders current balance
- the time left in the tourney.
- the variance and win properties of the game you're playing.

Ideally after each spin/bet you would have to reconsider since quite a few of the parameters change with each spin/bet. Dismissing this as 'you would have to differ' is exactly why you feel there's no outcome to this discussion

We often evaluate the tournaments and we look at how these players play - some simply play smarter than others - there's nothing more to it.

Good luck when you play again !

Enzo.

I'm a minimal depositor. I win a tourney about once a week to once every couple days to a couple a day. No rhyme, no reason. Sometimes I'm lucky, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes I see the same winners win, sometimes not.
I assume I see the same winners at time for three simple reasons:
1. theyre smarter players
2. I'm in chat, so I recognize the names.
3. they play more often, upping their chances.

There's no secret agenda.

Also, when you look at the people complaining they never win, they also seem to have short memories, as even I can recall when they last recently won. Suddenly, they win again, and theyre quiet for 2 days until they start again.

I think the turnies are fine the way they are. You win some. You lose more. Welcome to gambling.

dtsweet....  well said... couldnt agree with you more

I appreciate your views, but there is many many more players that think the same as me with these observations, i am not alone (but those other players obviously dont want to speak out and be open about it like me)

Example: I play on average since i started playing again about 3 weeks ago - 10 tournys on average a day, so my chances should be higher than the players that dont play that many, but still i see same names keep winning 2 or 3 tournys a day every day, always the same, i am sorry, i can not cope any longer, something is certainly not right,

Please go and look at the 3dice website and look at all the last tournys winners for the last 48 hours, that will prove my point exactly.

(I will not say names but if you look on the latest winners on the website or in the actual casino software where you can view the previous tournaments winners, you will see i am not wrong)

i dont need to say anything more on this matter there is prove there for everyone to see.

i will not reply in this thread again, because i am totally upset that a lot of people are blind to the fact that there is a lot of repeated winners and so on.

LuckyRJ

LuckyRJ,

When you hear hooves, think horses not unicorns. The top winner in 2013 is swatman124 - with 30 tourneyprizes on his name. Coincidentally he is also at the top of the ranking of how many tourney's played with 514.

For comparison reason you've played in 218 tournaments and have won 6 tourney prizes. Had you played in 514 tournaments you would've won 14.4 tournaments or about half of what swatman124 won.

Now that 2 to 1 factor would be perfectly normal and occur naturally even if skill wouldn't matter .. but again .. swatman is one of those smart players - he knows what to play when and with what bet to have the best odds of coming out on top. He's a really nice guy to so I suggest you send him a pm and ask him for some advice before you go UFO hunting ..

Cheers,

Enzo.

enzo, i sent you a private message in this forum

Your understanding of statistics is flawed Rob. It's like me saying 'oh, you've posted more in this thread than anyone, therefore, obviously, you must have the higher post count, say, as opposed to me'

luckyrj.... i think your a nice guy and  everyday i read this, hoping  that someone will be able to give you a different point of view on this. but i realize that no matter what anyone says ...no answer will be good enough for. so what i dont understand is ... why are you still playing at 3dice? why not move on to next casino?
            please no need to answer those questions. im not good with words but let me simplify  this the best i can ...... you see same players constantly winning. well.... these winners invest alot of time, such as SWATMAN124. he's there everyday playing tournys. and yes...he is good. not just all based on luck. even i have pm him help. for a person to spend that much time and effort... i expect nothing more than for this person to be a top winner
         
            why cant you simply understand this.... the more you play , the more you win! well..im done with this. gotta be back to 3dice and play those tournys. if i dont play then i cant win.
        luckyrj.....i have chatted with you in the past.  you know that im a real player like you. i normaly dont involve myself like this but i know your a nice guy. so.. i wish you the best of luck

yup, if someone is thoroughly convinced a site isnt on the up-and-up, well, its sheer stupidity to continue playing there; i mean, obviously, youve gone and closed your account right?

i think i already answered, i play on average 10 a day maybe more that is a lot lol, that is pretty much every tourny each day i am awake, so how do u expect me to play anymore than is actually posible

Then, really, I don't know why you feel you're 'due' a win. Tournaments dont have memories and each one is separate. If each turney has roughly 60 players, than at any given time, youve roughly a 1-in-60 chance of winning. Averages over long spreads suggest you'll win the odd one, but stats are calculated over VAST numbers.
Think of ice ages. They're 'due' about every 10,000 years. Does that mean, if it's been 9,999 since the last one, ones going to hit next year? Of course not. It could be in one hundred thousand years. But over that scale,you should expect to see one. But then, again, it may be 300,000 years at which point you may see three clumped together. one could occur back to back. It might be 4 back to back. It might be another 400,000 years again til another.
RTP is determined over VERY large numbers.
Here's another way:
A lottery sells 10,000 tickets, with 1,000 prizes, and advertise it as being able to win 1-in-10...so you win once every ten tickets? No. You might never win, someone may win 25 times. There are far too many random factors. But the lottery says 1-1n-10..because its calculating over broad numbers.

Here's an easier analogy: flip a coin, youve a 50% chance of heads every time. So, every 2nd time its heads right? No. The coin doesnt have a memory. You could flip it 99 times and get tails. Did the odds change that the next flip is heads? No, its 50/50. But over BROAD numbers, you 'should' expect about 1/2 the time its heads. But theres no guarantees.

ok dtsweet, lets put this thread to rest, mods you can lock it if you like.

LuckyRJ

Don't get me wrong. If there TRULY is a discrepancy, then it's great you point it out. It helps ALL members. But simply losing often, and others winning more, isn't a basis for foul-play

If everyone agrees with this, Ill lock it then.

Zuga

yep please