Some Questions about cashout after a finished Bonus

Hey Folks.
First of all, this seems to be a really nice site with a kewl community.
Nice to be here =D

Second, i have some questions, on wich i can't find a answer.

Assumed, that i deposited in a casino 200$ for a 400% First Deposit Bonus. I got 800$ through the bonus and 200$ from my deposit. Makes a total of 1000 Bugs. Let's say there is a wagerrate @50 for videopoker. So i have to wager 50000$ in order to be able to cashout.

And here is the point that i'm not fully understanding. I can't cashout the bonus.
i can only cash my winnings out and my deposited money. Ok, clear. But...

if i completed the wagerrequirements is the bonusmoney gone ? If not, and lets say i have 700$ left (bonusmoney inclusive) whats my strategy?

I don't really get it ^^. How exactly is the money i won handled ?
Its not printed in any ToC.

thank you very much =)

because the bonus is sticky = non-cashable, you wont be able to make a withdrawal if your balance is less than the starting balance which is $1000. 

thank you for the quick answer.
But with this limitation the bonus has no positiv expectation value ?

I mean, with videopoker is the best possible return (ROI) round about 0.995.
So, over the long run, i'm realy many times under the starting balance.

So... i can't see a strategy with a positive EV. or in other words, can somebody explain me how it is possible whore this bonus with profit?

math. explenations are also welcome =)

Thx!!!

You may want to check the FULL terms and conditions of the bonus. Such as, games included, games excluded, and as well as how much of your wager (per which game your playing) goes torward the playthrough. May be a little hard to give you an explanation not knowing any of these. And with the video poker question, I would stay away from that if it were me.

                                                     Jacob

                                 

I'm no good with video poker, so I can't give you any advice.  In your case, I would look for a cashable bonus.  200% cashable bonus is way better than 400% non cashable bonus.  If you deposit $100 with 200% cashable bonus, you then have a starting balance of $300.  After you complete the wagering requirement and let say your balance is at $200, you are eligible to withdraw and you make $100 profit.

Bradwill -What a good answer    Tarki- I think you meant bucks, not bugs        I really like what you've done with cool- I like kewl better  thanks         

hi =)
thx for the answers, i really appreciate your help.
@ helwin, yes i mean bucks ($) =D - english is a foreign english for me.

@bradwill, thx for this answer. i give the hole thing  some thoughts and did some calculations.

The example from my first post could have a positive expected value. (or other said, its profitable)

The reason for that is the leverage the bonus gives to a player. I could only loose 200$, but can bet with 1000$ total. This smaller my potential loss, but maximize my winning.

The one thing i trying to figure out is whats the best betting strategy.
Grind it out small with minimumbets and when the wager-requirements are met, bet big - until a desired bankrolltarget is hit.

Or is the other way better? Bet big, and then grind it out. 

A big question that i have, and that's not total clear to me:

if i'm under the starting balance, this means, if i have only bonusmoney left - and met then the wager requirements. Is the bonusmoney gone after this, or stay @ my account until i cashout or lost it all?

Thank you very much =)

I think that may depend on the casino your at. Some remove the bonus money apon meeting the wager requirements, and some dont. I think your best bet would be to contact Live Support, or email if thats not an option.

                                          Jacob